enough. the book is called "government bullies" you have a forward by a congressman named ron paul. how did that come about? >> it was tough to get. you know, bending arms at thanksgiving, working on him and we finally got him. >> jon: for you, what is the message here? the message is government has been pushing people around, that needs to stop? >> kind of. the message is that there are unintended consequences of well-meaning people. the clean waterage of 1974 says you can't discharge pollutants into the navigable waters of the u.s. i'm all for that. you shouldn't be allowed to dump chemicals in the ho river. there should be a law against that. it should stop. however, over time, we came to define dirt as a pollutant and we came to define navigable waters as your back yard. we tell the story of robbie wrigley, who was given 84 months in prison, had in prior criminal history, 84 months, no parole, her dad got ten years and her dad's partner got ten years. their crime is putting clean dirt on dry land in a residential development that the government says it's a wetland, and that's insane